*I believe Lisa was found, deceased in the bathtub about 10:30? That’s where Deborah’s initial 10:30pm comment came from re: the last time she saw her – always...(lies mixed with truths) She was removed, placed on the carpet where the dog picked up a scent, and “someone” tried to revive her, unsuccessfully. I think she laid in that spot, while plans were made in what to do. I possibly even believe that prior to actually leaving the house with Lisa, “someone” left in a vehicle (possibly even with a shovel, AND a change of clothing to leave at the location… but not sure…) found a location and worked it all out – then returned to the house. My “thoughts” does explain the 12:15 sighting and then “a man” exiting the woods caught on video at 2:30ish, which is soon after the call was placed re: a Trash Dumpster was on fire…which burnt clothes were found…I believe to remove any smell of Lisa – At that point, they called from DEBORAHS cell phone and said they were finished, etc…(see below) My scenario does not explain 4am sighting of man with Lisa?
A- A- Baby Lisa’s House – walked with Lisa AND cell phones (except left their own phone with Deb) to “B” sometime after midnight (5-10 min walk)
B- B- Point of entry into woods was on this street, Brighton. I believe you can enter 2nd section of woods this was also?? You would just have to cross 2 streets (spent about an hour + inside woods; walking to exact location, disposal (Lisa only) (I sicken even saying that) changing clothes etc…. Then walk through the woods to “C” (another 20? min walk)
C- C- Apartments / Dumpster arrive – 2am -where burnt clothing found (spent less than 5 mins. Here) AND with all phones, from here to point “D” …. (another 20 min walk from dumpster to where they were saw at 2:30ish exiting the woods. (fire reported at 2:19, probably started 10 mins. Before that)
D- D- Location seen on video of man exiting woods 2:30ish am, and then DEBS phone shows “activity” at aprox. 2:38 (everyone’s assuming it was a call) But I am feeling it was a TEXT to his OWN cell phone, which was left with Deb (look at your phone records…it will show you made a text, but not to who) indicating #1-job was finished, & possibly even to come and pick them up and take them home?? Not sure on that? BUT 2nd , I think to throw Police “off” on location – (appearing that Lisa was taken off into a Northern direction & she wasn’t. Police (I believe) know a text was sent, and by pings, the location it was sent from, but not to who or what it said……A phone call would’ve given Police a receiving number…that didn’t happen -
************I believe Lisa is somewhere in between (a ‘box’ area) Lister, Parvin, I435, & 210 & the phones are elsewhere - HOWEVER, I’m even willing to consider, that if placed in the river, it was where Brighton & the River meet
THIS CONCLUSION DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYONE SPOTTING A MAN WITH LISA AT 4:00AM, HOWEVER.....3 MILES NORTH OF POINT "D".......AND I K N O W THIS IS GOING TO SOUND EVEN CRAZIER - BUT, WHAT IF THE TWO INVOLVED W A N T E D SOMEONE TO SEE A "MYSTERIOUS" MAN W/A BABY AT 4AM, WHICH WOULD "PROVE" LISA/JEREMY ETC. HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BECAUSE THEY WERE HOME FIXING TO CALL 911.....SO, THE PERSON WHO WAS HELPING, LIVED NEAR THAT AREA? AND WALKED IN PUBLIC WITH A NAKED DOLL.... I'VE BEEN SO HESITANT TO EVEN SAY THAT BECAUSE OF HOW INSANE IT SOUNDS, BUT AT THIS POINT, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE..? FYI- THAT'S NOT A PSYCHIC THING (I DON'T THINK?) IT JUST POPPED IN MY HEAD AS A WAY TO PLACE A MAN WITH A BABY SEEN AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AT THE SAME TIME 911 WAS CALLED, THROWING POLICE ETC...OFF TRACK. HECK, IDK - IT WOULD BE PRETTY SMART, AS LONG AS HE WAS SEEN - FROM A REASONABLE DISTANCE - AND THEN WENT STRAIGHT HOME......AND DIDN'T PARADE AROUND FOR HOURS -
OK- I've added some more maps here......First, below is a small map showing a 5 mile radius around the home......
A - is Baby Lisa's house (sightings of man with baby in diaper only: 12:15am on Lister & 1:00am near Chelsea) and C - is one possible River location (Walk time from A to C= 15-20 mins....arriving there about 1:30am) and D - is dumpster Fire - (aprox walk time is again 15-20 mins - having to arive there about 2:00am - Set fire, make sure it's "gonna burn" and then leave before call reported at 2:19am) E - is the aprox. area of man exiting woods on video at 2:30am (call made right after this at 2:38am from Deb. phone to "unknown female" and then including the 4am sighting.....is the F location (45 min walk time, putting him in that location around 3:30am, if he walked straight there......a little before the man reported seeing the man w/baby @ 4am.........**Note, there at the 4am sighting are a set of Apartment Complexes..... possible location of our male's residence???? Just a thought......
NOW THAT YOU'VE SEEN THIS MAP - AND HOW THIS ONE, AND EVEN MINE WITH THE WOODED AREAS 2 MAPS UP COULD EASILY FIT, TIME WISE, IN ACCORDING TO WALKING DISTANCE/TIME, SIGHTINGS, ETC.... I'VE GOT A VERY GOOD POINT AND SOMETHING TO CONSIDER........W H O IN THE H.E.double L would risk walking around with a "REAL" DEAD BABY? IMO, no one!!! I believe, that if we take Deborah's statements, and facts that have been proven, incorporate mine and even other psychic/medium readings indicating that Baby Lisa is in fact deceased and that it did happen in the home (regardless of how each of us believe it happened or even where that poor baby is now) we have a very different, realistic scenario.......
FIRST, Deb gives a time of last seeing Lisa / putting her to "sleep" at 10:30pm; only to change her time closer to 7:00pm (BIG DIFFERENCE!) We KNOW she was at the store with a male (she says her brother) around 5:00pm buying wine, DIAPERS, and WIPES......Jeremy indicated that he was home w/all 3 kids while she was at the store....so we know he doesn't work 12 hour shifts.....so if he arrived home at 4am....Let's assume he left work around 3:30-3:45..Let's just say his work hours were 7pm - 3am and he worked some overtime....who knows....OR he works 10 hour shifts and worked from 5:30 to 3:30am or even 6pm - 4pm...(more plausible) indicating that he left for work as soon as Deb returned from the store......So, Deb and "someone" start drinking wine around 6:00....Lisa's fussy cause she doesn't feel well....Deb tries lying her down (6:40ish) but it's so early, she won't sleep.....Sometime between then....and say 7:30, she gives her medicine to relieve her symptoms and also make her sleepy.....and puts her in the bathtub to play (babysit / keep her happy.....sticking to my beliefs that Lisa drowned) so Deb can continue her activities. Older Boys...probably in room playing video games, whatever.....It's dark outside now too........Deb continues drinking with friend and sometime between.....well say.....8pm-9pm, Deb either remembers or one of the boys find - (either way) Lisa lying in the bathtub, asleep......She's removed from the bathtub and placed on the carpet beside Deb's bed (boys told to go to room or during the chaos, if they didn't know what was going on, to stay in their room) In any case - Efforts are made to revive Lisa, unsuccessfully..... LOTS of chaos and freaking out going on......While they're debating how to handle what's happened, Lisa remains on the floor, with a blanket, as if she's sleeping to anyone (the boys?) who may see her.....The boys are told at some point, go to bed. After concluding that Deb (if not both people) could be in serious trouble, not to mention what it would do to her marriage, her other kids, etc.....there was just NO way she was calling 911 - and the planning began on how to handle/stage the abduction - and even how to throw off the police, neighbors, Jeremy, etc....by making phone calls from locations with Debs phone....be spotted around with a man and baby, etc.....All elaborate plans........SO- everything's worked out on what and how they will do what - While Baby Lisa has been "sleeping" on the carpet next to Debs bed for about 2 hours....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crimescene-canines-835047.html
"......One of the questions surrounding human cadaver dogs is how soon after death they can recognize a corpse, and how long a "fresh" corpse must remain in one place for a dog to detect that it has been there. In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.
Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signaled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy....... The research concluded that cadaver dogs were an "outstanding tool" for crime-scene investigation......"
SO- Now we go with Deb's time, initially given of the last time she saw Baby Lisa - around 10:30 - I believe she was taken away from the house then......While he was gone, DEB made sure she got everything ready, cleaned, etc...and when the male finished, he returned to complete the plan that was made to conceal / deceive everyone in time, etc..... Which is when he left the residence with a human size "doll", a back pack with diapers, wipes, and a fresh change of clothes, and maybe even baby clothing, and all the cell phones - (this way, even if someone questioned him - he wasn't doing anything wrong.....he only had a baby doll....right? he may be weird, but not "criminal") He was first seen around 12:15 when he left the residence........(A) on map...Heading toward Chouetau abandon house and woods to dispose of back pack with diapers and wipes and even some older, soiled diapers from trash which would have Lisa's smell?? (15 min walk...10 mins to dispose and then 15 min walk back, cutting through streets near Chelsea, where he was again spotted, "man with baby" around 1:00am..... I think this sighting, for some reason detoured him and he returned to the house.......telling Deb that he's being seen too much in the neighborhood with baby, etc...after discussing and arguing about it with DEB (commotion boys could have heard, one of them waking and possibly going into Lisa's bed) He got a bag of some sort to put the baby in (concealing it from anyone else, until HE wanted to be seen with it, away from the house....otherwise, there would have been more sightings of a man and a baby walking....Don't you think?) And he left again around 1:30 ish ....and headed towards trash dumpster (walk time 10 mins, arriving a little before 2am - before setting fire, he changed clothing? in wooded area behind dumpster, whatever?? and at about 2am - a little after, disposed of clothing, etc....(not cell phones) and set them on fire, completely....and then headed towards location man was spotted on video with baby in bag/sack.....making a call from DEBS phone at 2:38, and then heading towards last seen location, probably hiding cell phones / destroying them somewhere in between.........being seen one last time with baby.......and then destroying, hiding, burying, ? it - and going home - While Lisa and Jeremy are home, looking for Lisa and ultimately calling 911. MAP BELOW -
http://stephaniealmaguer.blogspot.com/2011/10/lisa-irwin-missing-10-month-old-baby.html
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